October 12 2026

Aaron: Oh. Yeah.

Adam Kovic: How's how's the groin?

Aaron: Her legs are.

Aaron: Man, this weekend I. My uncle and I put the engine and

Aaron: transmission of that fifty five Chevy and, uh.

Aaron: Yeah, eight hundred pounds of cast iron, moving it around a

Aaron: half inch at a time, like saw.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. You know, when they say

Adam Kovic: like, they don't make things the

Adam Kovic: way they used to, it's like,

Adam Kovic: yeah, they're not as heavy as

Adam Kovic: they are.

Adam Kovic: They used to be either.

Aaron: They literally used to use like this engine as a boat anchor,

Aaron: like an actual boat anchor.

Adam Kovic: It's, uh, had they actually had it on the Titanic, they could

Adam Kovic: have stopped the boat in time.

Aaron: They just thrown it at the iceberg and shattered it.

Adam Kovic: That's true.

Adam Kovic: It, uh, once they built it, they could feel the earth tilt a

Adam Kovic: little bit on its axis

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: ever

Aaron: Did

Adam Kovic: so slightly.

Aaron: you did you see that?

Aaron: That thing that was I mean, it

Aaron: was on Reddit and a few other

Aaron: places about like, they're the

Aaron: only black man that on the

Aaron: Titanic.

Aaron: Did you see that?

Adam Kovic: I did not explain it to me.

Aaron: This guy, I want to say his name is Laroche.

Aaron: He was like this, uh, the great great grandson of this.

Aaron: The first emperor of Haiti or something.

Aaron: Like when the, you know, the revolution happened and the

Aaron: enslaved people overthrew the, their, their enslavers.

Aaron: Uh, that was, I guess the first emperor was his grandpa.

Aaron: Anyway, so this guy, you know,

Aaron: uh, came from kind of a

Aaron: well-to-do family and was in,

Aaron: uh, Europe and in France and

Aaron: stuff.

Aaron: And so he had some money and

Aaron: this was like early nineteen

Aaron: hundreds.

Aaron: And he had like a white wife with, uh, mixed race kids, which

Aaron: I can't imagine.

Aaron: Well, I mean, they explain a

Aaron: little how crazy hard his life

Aaron: was because like, I mean, even

Aaron: in France, they're like, what

Aaron: the fuck?

Aaron: You know, like, like even, you know.

Aaron: But anyway, so he, uh, he's doing his thing and he's trying

Aaron: to come back, uh, to Haiti because he was an engineer and,

Aaron: you know, went to a nice school and everything, smart guy and

Aaron: could not get a job or he'd have a job and they'd be like, uh,

Aaron: this is great work, but it looks a little black here.

Aaron: And then he get fired, you know, that kind of thing.

Adam Kovic: GS.

Aaron: So he's like, I need to go back to Haiti.

Aaron: My family's there, you know, it'll be a good life.

Aaron: So they book some, uh, trip on

Aaron: the the SS France is what it was

Aaron: called.

Aaron: But the thing was, is the SS France first class, you still

Aaron: couldn't have your kids dine with you in the first class

Aaron: lounge or whatever, which I, I don't know if that was like it

Aaron: was if it was for everyone like that or just because they're

Aaron: like, uh, you can't have your kids dine in there.

Aaron: I don't know, but, um, so

Aaron: anyway, he's like, well, I want

Aaron: my kids to be able to dine with

Aaron: me.

Aaron: So I guess I'll just get a second class ticket on the

Aaron: Titanic that's about to go over.

Aaron: And because like a lot I remember reading, a lot of

Aaron: people had to do that.

Aaron: Like a first class ticket on any other ship was like, would get

Aaron: you second class on Titanic because first class was so nice.

Aaron: But so anyway, gets the second class ticket to Titanic.

Aaron: Titanic goes to France, you know, to pick him up and other

Aaron: people, but him up

Adam Kovic: Mostly

Aaron: and

Adam Kovic: him.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: mostly him and it can't get into the harbor.

Aaron: Uh, so it has to, they have to have a boat shuttle the people

Aaron: to the Titanic.

Aaron: Well, the boat that's supposed to shuttle them to the Titanic

Aaron: breaks down and almost misses the Titanic, you know, getting

Aaron: back to it.

Aaron: So they, you know, can't board.

Aaron: But, you know, inevitably he

Aaron: ends up boarding with his wife

Aaron: and his two kids when his wife's

Aaron: pregnant.

Aaron: And, uh, and of course, we all

Aaron: know what happened with the

Aaron: Titanic.

Aaron: Um, two teens fell in love and,

Adam Kovic: Well, I,

Aaron: uh.

Adam Kovic: when I had the VHS, I only had the first one, so I never got

Aaron: Oh,

Adam Kovic: to see the

Aaron: yeah.

Adam Kovic: second half.

Aaron: Well, everything is fine.

Aaron: You don't you're not missing anything,

Adam Kovic: Okay.

Aaron: so.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: But this guy Laroche, you know,

Aaron: pretty kind of a remarkable, I

Aaron: guess, dude.

Aaron: You

Adam Kovic: Mhm.

Aaron: know.

Aaron: Of course, you never don't know what happened to him that

Adam Kovic: He's

Aaron: night.

Adam Kovic: like, he's like, I, I wish I had

Adam Kovic: just gone first class on

Adam Kovic: Carnival Cruise or whatever it

Adam Kovic: was.

Aaron: Mhm. Yeah. The SS France.

Aaron: So, uh, anyway, fun little tidbit.

Aaron: You reminded me of Titanic and boat anchors.

Adam Kovic: Okay.

Aaron: If only Laroche had had a Chevy

Aaron: two thirty five, uh, to throw at

Aaron: the iceberg.

Aaron: He might he might be, uh, well, he'd still be dead now, but.

Adam Kovic: I don't know how I feel.

Adam Kovic: Are you comparing me to an anchor, but.

Adam Kovic: Or that I remind you of an anchor?

Aaron: Uh, well, anchor serve important functions.

Adam Kovic: Mhm. They also hold so many things back.

Adam Kovic: Large Grand designs are just held back from greatness.

Aaron: One time I was, uh, I was kind of, you know, I was trying to

Aaron: fall asleep, and I was just watching videos of anchors that

Aaron: weren't properly chained or tied to their boat.

Aaron: And it's pretty satisfying every time,

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: especially because it goes with

Aaron: the video I was watching started

Aaron: from small anchors to enormous

Aaron: anchors

Adam Kovic: HMM.

Aaron: and,

Adam Kovic: Well.

Aaron: uh,

Adam Kovic: Well,

Aaron: yeah.

Adam Kovic: any of those, like, catastrophic failure videos where they're

Adam Kovic: just machines that we have no right having on this planet.

Adam Kovic: Like, there's, it makes no sense

Adam Kovic: how creatures so small built

Adam Kovic: something so big, and then it

Adam Kovic: inevitably bends in on itself

Adam Kovic: and falls

Aaron: Mhm.

Adam Kovic: and hits a building, and that

Adam Kovic: then falls over like, you know,

Adam Kovic: a giant, uh, construction truck

Adam Kovic: so big that it runs over

Adam Kovic: someone's Ford F-150 without

Adam Kovic: seeing it.

Aaron: Mhm.

Adam Kovic: You're just like, how did we get here?

Aaron: That's why you got to see a rocket launch.

Adam Kovic: I would like to, and it sounds

Adam Kovic: like we're going to be able to

Adam Kovic: see a lot of them in the near

Adam Kovic: future.

Adam Kovic: They're supposed to be doing

Adam Kovic: like, I don't know, dozens a

Adam Kovic: day.

Adam Kovic: Whenever Starship becomes a thing, if it becomes a thing.

Aaron: They say that like since the

Aaron: sixties, they've been saying

Aaron: like, and NASA will be ready to

Aaron: do up

Adam Kovic: Oh,

Aaron: to ten launches

Adam Kovic: it

Aaron: a day,

Adam Kovic: won't

Aaron: you

Adam Kovic: be NASA.

Aaron: know.

Aaron: Well, no, I know,

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: but like, that's what they've been saying.

Aaron: And like, ultimately you can't do it for a number of reasons.

Aaron: And also there's some things

Aaron: going on with like the, the

Aaron: stages that burn up as they're

Aaron: coming back into the atmosphere,

Aaron: release this.

Aaron: Like I want to say it's this

Aaron: ionization ionized gas or some,

Aaron: some crazy gas that's like, oh,

Aaron: every time it does that, it

Aaron: severely hurts the ozone layer

Aaron: like

Adam Kovic: Neat.

Aaron: a crazy amount.

Adam Kovic: Oh, good.

Adam Kovic: Good.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: Well, let's get those data centers up there ASAP.

Adam Kovic: For

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: whatever reason, I don't know, whatever.

Adam Kovic: It's it's just.

Adam Kovic: Yeah, it's, uh, it's all just

Adam Kovic: going to be controlled by one

Adam Kovic: company.

Adam Kovic: Don't worry.

Adam Kovic: It's all good.

Adam Kovic: I'm reading that book that, uh, The Aggie Chronicles and just

Adam Kovic: reading about Elon Musk's early days at OpenAI and how he, like

Adam Kovic: you, could see the two minds fighting inside his head, and it

Adam Kovic: makes so much more sense where you see him today, where his

Adam Kovic: thought was, well, we got to build AGI or we got to build AI

Adam Kovic: before Google does because Google owns the world.

Adam Kovic: And if they if they own

Adam Kovic: everything, like if they, they

Adam Kovic: bring bring upon upon the

Adam Kovic: superintelligence, it can't be

Adam Kovic: them.

Adam Kovic: It's got to be some, it's got to

Adam Kovic: be someone like with, you know,

Adam Kovic: better morals who want to

Adam Kovic: control things.

Adam Kovic: And then as OpenAI was moving

Adam Kovic: forward, he's like, uh, they're

Adam Kovic: talking about spinning it off

Adam Kovic: into, you know, the, the profit

Adam Kovic: division.

Adam Kovic: So it actually can make money and it can keep going.

Adam Kovic: He goes, yeah, and I think I

Adam Kovic: should be the CEO and I should

Adam Kovic: control everything.

Adam Kovic: Like, well, yeah, but, you know, we talked about whoever controls

Adam Kovic: AI becoming a dictator.

Adam Kovic: And he's like, uh huh.

Adam Kovic: And like

Aaron: Mhm.

Adam Kovic: I just said, no, we don't want to do this with you.

Adam Kovic: Crazy man.

Adam Kovic: They're all insane people.

Adam Kovic: Uh, as

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: I'm, as I'm reading through

Adam Kovic: this, there are no good guys in

Adam Kovic: this book.

Adam Kovic: And they're all they all have shadow selves, is what I'm

Aaron: It's

Adam Kovic: learning.

Aaron: the Third Reich is what it is.

Adam Kovic: It is absolutely the Third Reich.

Adam Kovic: As for.

Adam Kovic: And yeah, as I'm cutting

Adam Kovic: together your Blood boy video,

Adam Kovic: uh, it's it's all making sense,

Adam Kovic: but yeah.

Aaron: If you just replace, replace the

Aaron: word AI with nukes or or nuclear

Aaron: weapons,

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: then, you know, I've seen some talk of that.

Aaron: It's like it needs to be the

Aaron: same kind of gravitas and

Aaron: oversight that nuclear weapons

Aaron: has.

Aaron: And it's

Adam Kovic: That's

Aaron: like, yeah.

Adam Kovic: an anthropic entire position because they're just like that.

Adam Kovic: They constantly are citing the Manhattan Project and saying,

Adam Kovic: this is equivalent to that.

Adam Kovic: And the idea being like,

Adam Kovic: someone's going to build it,

Adam Kovic: it's going to happen, which is

Adam Kovic: just this weird, inevitable

Adam Kovic: thing humans are doing where

Adam Kovic: it's like, we're racing towards

Adam Kovic: this thing.

Adam Kovic: Like, did we need nuclear bombs?

Adam Kovic: Probably not, but it's just,

Adam Kovic: what is that staring into the

Adam Kovic: void, that thing of like, well,

Adam Kovic: I know I can build it, so I have

Adam Kovic: to.

Adam Kovic: And convincing yourself you're the good guy.

Adam Kovic: I don't

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: know.

Aaron: And then that self-fulfilling prophecy of like, yeah, it can

Aaron: bring back or it can bring the end of humanity and it probably

Aaron: will, but we've got to build it.

Aaron: And it's like, hold on.

Adam Kovic: We must create the device that ends all life on this planet.

Adam Kovic: Not.

Adam Kovic: I mean, the planet will be fine.

Adam Kovic: As you know, George Carlin says we're fucked.

Adam Kovic: So anyway, we'll see.

Adam Kovic: Whatever

Aaron: Mhm.

Adam Kovic: species digs us up and uses our bones for fuel.

Adam Kovic: We'll just have to wonder, like,

Adam Kovic: oh, what natural disaster killed

Adam Kovic: them?

Adam Kovic: Oh, no. They built a computer that was really smart.

Adam Kovic: And then it released a virus, and then a bunch of, uh, little

Adam Kovic: drones the size of flies.

Adam Kovic: And then that that computer went to the moon to go be happy.

Aaron: Man, I'm gonna get my hands on that old Apollo computer.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. What are you gonna do with it?

Aaron: Nothing. And they are.

Aaron: Sorry.

Aaron: There's some screaming outside.

Adam Kovic: I don't hear it.

Aaron: And is either a child or a cat getting run over.

Aaron: Um, Riggs seems concerned, too, but,

Adam Kovic: MM.

Aaron: uh, yeah, there was this, uh, it was already kind of happened.

Aaron: Like someone found the Apollo computer.

Aaron: This was like, a few years ago.

Aaron: They found it essentially being thrown out in the trash.

Aaron: And, uh, so these researchers,

Aaron: basically, they, they got some

Aaron: of the original Apollo

Aaron: programmers, and they got some

Aaron: new people and they, uh, went

Aaron: through the board and the, and

Aaron: the, the big main processor

Aaron: unit.

Aaron: And since they didn't need rooms full of compute anymore, they

Aaron: could just do it, you know, with things in there in a, in an

Aaron: office, you know, on a desk.

Aaron: So they basically repaired it

Aaron: and got it to where it did the

Aaron: entire, I think, Apollo eleven

Aaron: launch through landing on the

Aaron: moon.

Aaron: And they could see, like every process being called up and they

Aaron: could see like it trying to fire phantom, uh, thrusters and

Aaron: things to correct pitch and all this is pretty cool, but like

Aaron: they had to relearn something.

Aaron: I mean, the Apollo, the Apollo

Aaron: spacecraft and computer system

Aaron: was, is I think it's the most

Aaron: advanced thing ever created by

Aaron: man.

Aaron: Like most advanced system, like it's timely.

Aaron: Margaret Hamilton, one of the,

Aaron: uh, software engineers on it

Aaron: just passed

Adam Kovic: She

Aaron: away.

Adam Kovic: just

Aaron: But

Adam Kovic: passed away.

Aaron: but

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: yeah, so anyway, but this was.

Aaron: You know, this is something that

Aaron: happened, uh, about sixty years

Aaron: ago now.

Aaron: It was when it was designed, but like basically some of the

Aaron: smartest minds had to reverse engineer and relearn and figure

Aaron: out how to make it work again.

Aaron: And it took a while, you know,

Aaron: like it's just, you know, and

Aaron: that wasn't even that

Aaron: complicated.

Aaron: I mean, it was very complicated, but it's still like mechanical,

Aaron: you know, computer like, as mechanical as computers can be.

Aaron: And, uh, yeah, I can't even imagine like trying to like some

Aaron: sort of mankind wiping event.

Aaron: And then like, we need to

Aaron: relearn how to get steam back

Aaron: online,

Adam Kovic: I

Aaron: you

Adam Kovic: was

Aaron: know?

Adam Kovic: going to say what's what's more impressive, reverse engineering

Adam Kovic: that or getting skateboarding to work in Modern Warfare two.

Aaron: Yeah, yeah.

Aaron: People are gonna just, they're just gonna have to relearn how

Aaron: to do things.

Aaron: And I don't know, maybe they won't.

Aaron: Maybe they'll just.

Aaron: I was looking at this, the fifty five Chevy yesterday, and I'm

Aaron: like, you know, this is going to be like a Ford Model T to a kid

Aaron: in a couple years, but it's more like a car than a model T was.

Aaron: And there might be more of like

Aaron: a, a fascination because it's

Aaron: like, oh, you just get in and

Aaron: it's like five moving parts and

Aaron: there's no trash control or

Aaron: camera facing you to tell when

Aaron: you're asleep.

Adam Kovic: What

Aaron: And you

Adam Kovic: are

Aaron: know,

Adam Kovic: you going

Aaron: all this

Adam Kovic: to

Aaron: other

Adam Kovic: use

Aaron: stuff.

Adam Kovic: to fuel it, though?

Adam Kovic: Canola

Aaron: The

Adam Kovic: oil.

Aaron: what?

Adam Kovic: What are you going to use to fuel it?

Aaron: Whatever

Adam Kovic: You think?

Aaron: Porsche fuel they're making where

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: it's eighteen dollars a gallon.

Adam Kovic: It's going to be some synthetic

Adam Kovic: whatever because yeah, gas will

Adam Kovic: be gone.

Adam Kovic: Uh, definitely won't be diesel, that's for damn sure.

Aaron: No, it would be like horses.

Aaron: I mean, I saw this before, it'll be like owning cars would be

Aaron: like owning horses.

Aaron: You know, I'll be a car girl and

Adam Kovic: Well.

Aaron: I'll brush my car every day.

Adam Kovic: I thought you were saying horses

Adam Kovic: are going to become the fuel for

Adam Kovic: the cars,

Aaron: Oh, maybe.

Adam Kovic: and that ends up being their life cycle.

Adam Kovic: That's their legacy.

Adam Kovic: It was like you once gave us so

Adam Kovic: much and then you became our

Adam Kovic: pets.

Adam Kovic: And now you're the gas inside our cars.

Aaron: It's like you have two choices.

Aaron: Of course, you can be meatballs at Ikea or gas in my car.

Aaron: You choose.

Adam Kovic: Or both.

Adam Kovic: Yeah, because it's inhumane to make you into glue now.

Adam Kovic: We don't do that anymore.

Adam Kovic: It's also not very efficient.

Aaron: Mhm.

Adam Kovic: So we have chosen to just.

Adam Kovic: You make my car go six miles a gallon or whatever it is.

Adam Kovic: Yeah, I don't know.

Adam Kovic: It's um.

Adam Kovic: Who knows, who knows what's going on with the fuel stuff if

Adam Kovic: we're even going to be able to do that anymore.

Adam Kovic: I don't know if people are going to even drive anymore.

Adam Kovic: It's.

Adam Kovic: I saw Waymo on the freeway.

Adam Kovic: I saw a Tesla robotaxi the other day and I thought, that doesn't

Adam Kovic: look half bad.

Adam Kovic: It almost looks like the future.

Aaron: You asshole.

Adam Kovic: I know I don't care for them.

Adam Kovic: Um, but.

Aaron: And look, it's crazy.

Aaron: Even for a Tesla, it looks cheap.

Aaron: How is that possible?

Adam Kovic: That's true. Ikea is Ikea, Ikea, Hyundai.

Adam Kovic: I think I get them mixed up, but they just released a

Aaron: Did you say Ikea?

Adam Kovic: did I say Ikea?

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: Ikea.

Aaron: Okay.

Adam Kovic: You know, the Ikea cards.

Adam Kovic: The

Aaron: Yeah,

Adam Kovic: one.

Aaron: that'd be pretty cool.

Aaron: But no. Anyway.

Aaron: Go on.

Adam Kovic: That has to exist.

Adam Kovic: Someone has had to have made a. Like a fully modular Ikea car

Adam Kovic: made of, uh, compressed wood.

Adam Kovic: That would be cool.

Adam Kovic: Anyway, it's a fifteen thousand dollars Chinese EV.

Adam Kovic: I think it's made in South Korea, though.

Adam Kovic: But their pricing at fifteen thousand dollars and it

Adam Kovic: basically looks like the robotaxi that Tesla's made.

Adam Kovic: Um, so I imagine those will be making their way around here.

Adam Kovic: And you're going to be seeing a lot more of these.

Adam Kovic: It almost looks like the car from Timecop.

Adam Kovic: Almost.

Aaron: Mhm.

Adam Kovic: Very angular.

Adam Kovic: Are you looking it up?

Adam Kovic: Don't

Aaron: Uh, no,

Adam Kovic: know.

Aaron: but I was just thinking how we.

Aaron: There's a big like stock to

Aaron: import any Chinese EVs anyway,

Aaron: but.

Adam Kovic: Well, no. That's the thing is, if there.

Adam Kovic: I don't know if there's a ban on South Korea, but there.

Aaron: Uh, that's.

Aaron: No, they'll they'll punish South Korea to.

Adam Kovic: They'll find a way.

Adam Kovic: They found a way to punish.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: Pole star and I think even

Adam Kovic: Ford's getting hurt some for

Adam Kovic: some reason they're just like

Adam Kovic: why not just it's just omni

Adam Kovic: rage.

Adam Kovic: It just goes all over the place.

Adam Kovic: Anyway.

Adam Kovic: Did you get a chance to mess with the art craft stuff at all?

Aaron: The art craft.

Adam Kovic: The, uh, Photoshop knockoff?

Aaron: Oh, yeah.

Aaron: Yeah. Uh, a

Adam Kovic: Yeah,

Aaron: little bit.

Adam Kovic: yeah.

Aaron: Um. Yeah, I need to I have clawed doing a bunch of things

Aaron: for me right now, and it's, uh, eating up all my, everything,

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: all my, my model.

Aaron: Um. But yeah, as soon as I do, I'm going to start messing with

Aaron: it because there's just some.

Aaron: Yeah, there's just some interesting video editing.

Aaron: I mean, there's interesting all

Aaron: sorts of things with it, but

Aaron: like.

Adam Kovic: Yeah, I've been messing with it.

Adam Kovic: It's it's not quite there.

Adam Kovic: Also, like I've been using Adobe

Adam Kovic: for so long, it is all just

Adam Kovic: basically muscle memory at this

Adam Kovic: point.

Adam Kovic: So when I hit a shortcut and it doesn't work, and then when I

Adam Kovic: change it or like that thing isn't there, like my brain kind

Adam Kovic: of breaks a little bit.

Adam Kovic: That's

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: that that's been the big

Adam Kovic: learning curve with DaVinci,

Adam Kovic: though.

Adam Kovic: I'm getting more accustomed with

Adam Kovic: that just because I'm, I this

Adam Kovic: might have to be the year I get

Adam Kovic: off.

Adam Kovic: I think twenty twenty seven is

Adam Kovic: my going to be my last year with

Adam Kovic: Adobe.

Adam Kovic: So

Aaron: I said that in twenty fifteen.

Adam Kovic: yeah, but the vibe coated slop

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: trash wasn't as good as it is today.

Aaron: Yeah, I got

Adam Kovic: And,

Aaron: it.

Adam Kovic: and

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: the fact that I can like, bend it to my will now.

Adam Kovic: And that the biggest thing of these of the the vibe coded

Adam Kovic: whatever Adobe replacements is that they have that whatever

Adam Kovic: it's called, the MCP server or whatever it like it natively

Adam Kovic: talks to Claude or whatever AI thing you want to use.

Adam Kovic: I think you can get a local AI working with it, but basically

Adam Kovic: you can just say, here's a bunch of video files, cobble it

Adam Kovic: together, or, um, here's a video, crop it, make it into a

Adam Kovic: social video so you don't have to do it by hand anymore.

Adam Kovic: It's like.

Aaron: This is Adobe.

Adam Kovic: This is the, uh, the art craft stuff, the

Aaron: Okay.

Adam Kovic: knockoff.

Aaron: Okay, okay.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: Adobe is not, as far as I know,

Adam Kovic: doesn't work well with those

Adam Kovic: tools.

Adam Kovic: Um,

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: but these ones are, they're super lightweight.

Adam Kovic: They're only, they're like under one hundred megabytes each.

Adam Kovic: So they're super snappy and

Adam Kovic: they're not like quite there

Adam Kovic: yet.

Adam Kovic: But like I said in that thing I

Adam Kovic: wrote, it's like, this is alpha

Adam Kovic: stuff.

Adam Kovic: This is super early days.

Adam Kovic: And like a year from now, I could see this being a complete

Adam Kovic: replacement for Adobe.

Aaron: Yeah, yeah.

Aaron: Especially once there's an like

Aaron: a kind of like Linux or anything

Aaron: else.

Aaron: There's an organized or few organized hubs of like, this is

Aaron: the newest build, you know, this is the newest built as opposed

Aaron: like right now it's kind of everyone is getting together and

Aaron: kind of seeing what shakes out kind of deal.

Aaron: But

Adam Kovic: Well,

Aaron: yeah.

Adam Kovic: the thing is, is like, you can make those changes yourself.

Adam Kovic: That's

Aaron: Right.

Adam Kovic: the crazy part.

Adam Kovic: Like if I really wanted to, I could download this film craft

Adam Kovic: thing, this Adobe Premier knockoff, and just let Claude

Adam Kovic: play with it for a day.

Adam Kovic: Describe exactly what I want it to do.

Adam Kovic: The minute I update it, I'll lose all those things.

Adam Kovic: Um, which is fine, but kind of

Adam Kovic: cool that I as an individual can

Adam Kovic: do that.

Adam Kovic: I don't have to wait on DaVinci resolve.

Adam Kovic: I don't have to wait on Adobe to update stuff or fix something.

Adam Kovic: Like that's, that's a cool way of looking at it, I think.

Adam Kovic: I don't know.

Aaron: No,

Adam Kovic: And.

Aaron: it is.

Aaron: I just think that there needs to be For the sake of of like the

Aaron: power of multiple minds and building on things.

Aaron: There's got to be some way like, like almost a GitHub merge type

Aaron: deal where it's, it's seeing what, what con or what conflicts

Aaron: and, and whatever, and then updates this like master thing

Aaron: where I, you know, like something's going to have

Aaron: features that you don't have and you'll want, and then everyone

Aaron: just kind of have these patchwork things and it's not as

Aaron: strong as like, if there was a community like working version

Aaron: that could be merged with all sorts of different

Adam Kovic: I

Aaron: features.

Adam Kovic: get

Aaron: I don't

Adam Kovic: that?

Aaron: know.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. I think what's going to

Adam Kovic: happen is a lot of people are

Adam Kovic: going to do a lot of cool

Adam Kovic: things.

Adam Kovic: And then yeah, it'll eventually merge into the I mean, that's

Adam Kovic: what GitHub's for, right?

Adam Kovic: Everyone forks their own thing.

Adam Kovic: And then you,

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: you I don't know, it's all just going to the big bot.

Adam Kovic: So cloud will just ingest it all

Adam Kovic: and go, these are the good

Adam Kovic: parts.

Adam Kovic: Here you go.

Adam Kovic: And then it just, you know, uses your computer to mine Bitcoin.

Aaron: Mhm.

Adam Kovic: So all good.

Aaron: This was inevitable.

Adam Kovic: Mhm.

Aaron: It's just it just, uh, it needed this moment for it to happen.

Aaron: And then, like you mentioned it, but like, we wouldn't even be

Aaron: having this conversation if, if Apple hadn't been stupid to over

Aaron: ten years ago and done and did what they did with final cut.

Aaron: But,

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: um, yeah, I know, and there's some things like there's a world

Aaron: where I could have seen myself maybe using Final Cut X, but I

Aaron: remember the guy at Roosterteeth who was showing it off.

Aaron: I just despised him so much that I equated him with the program.

Aaron: And I'm like, no, no, I'm not using this bullshit.

Aaron: And my instinct was partially right.

Aaron: I mean, it was mostly right.

Aaron: Like, it's no one's using maybe

Aaron: some people are using Final Cut

Aaron: X. I know there are people using

Aaron: Final Cut X, but it's like, you

Aaron: don't you don't use it if you're

Aaron: going fast.

Aaron: There's

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: people at with avid still and premiere, you know.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. It doesn't really fill any sort of need, in my opinion.

Adam Kovic: Like it was the prosumer, sort

Adam Kovic: of like they were editing movies

Adam Kovic: on it.

Adam Kovic: Like, you know, the Coen

Adam Kovic: brothers were just all all about

Adam Kovic: it.

Adam Kovic: And then someone said, well, no, it should be more like iMovie.

Adam Kovic: Like we should dumb it down and, and also overcomplicate it like,

Adam Kovic: well, this, this part of the timeline is your story.

Adam Kovic: And I

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: was like,

Aaron: I was like, what the fuck does that

Adam Kovic: yeah,

Aaron: mean?

Adam Kovic: like, I need to put this thing

Adam Kovic: like, how do I just add a

Adam Kovic: transition effect?

Adam Kovic: Like, oh, well, we'll show you.

Adam Kovic: And it's like, well, on Adobe, I

Adam Kovic: just right click and it, it'll

Adam Kovic: just add a crossfade and that's

Adam Kovic: pretty easy.

Adam Kovic: Or I can just, you know, make a default transition.

Adam Kovic: Like if I'm doing like, I don't know, it's, I guess different

Adam Kovic: for guys like you and I where it's like, we're kind of

Adam Kovic: assembly lining stuff.

Adam Kovic: Like

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: we're just producing stuff at scale.

Adam Kovic: This isn't, we're not making art.

Adam Kovic: So and I don't know what Apple

Adam Kovic: was thinking or who they were

Adam Kovic: going after.

Adam Kovic: So they they lost the prosumer.

Adam Kovic: But it was also too complicated for the dumb dumbs.

Adam Kovic: So I don't know who it was for or why it existed or why we

Aaron: Well,

Adam Kovic: needed it.

Aaron: it wasn't even just prosumer though for Apple.

Aaron: Like like real movies were being edited on Final Cut.

Aaron: Real TV was being edited on Final Cut.

Aaron: Like, you know,

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: it

Adam Kovic: Oh yeah, I

Aaron: was

Adam Kovic: know.

Aaron: like the actual industry.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. I mean that that's a, that was a complicated one to break

Adam Kovic: in as well, like because people were using it and they were sort

Adam Kovic: of looked down upon.

Aaron: Mhm.

Adam Kovic: Um, it wasn't until I think like

Adam Kovic: Cold Mountain one, I think it

Adam Kovic: won the Academy Award for best

Adam Kovic: editing.

Adam Kovic: And it was the first movie done in Final Cut Pro, but.

Aaron: Because all these people, because they're like avid.

Aaron: I spent a hundred grand on my avid.

Adam Kovic: Exactly. Yeah. It's the, the sunk cost fallacy there.

Adam Kovic: Like I remember for the longest time, like if you were trying to

Adam Kovic: do any special effects, like in After Effects or something like,

Adam Kovic: well, you got to use nuke and like, what the hell is nuke?

Adam Kovic: And like, oh, you, you got to pay like fifteen grand just to

Adam Kovic: even look at it.

Adam Kovic: It's like, okay.

Adam Kovic: And then I've seen it and I'm like, this looks like ass, but

Aaron: Mhm.

Adam Kovic: it's because it works.

Adam Kovic: It's the same thing with like, um, oh, there's that 3D

Adam Kovic: sculpting program that I can't even think of the name, but, um,

Adam Kovic: there's certain just industry things ZBrush like there's

Adam Kovic: certain or like Houdini, there's just certain industry apps that

Adam Kovic: like you're going to be stuck with those because that's what

Adam Kovic: people have used.

Adam Kovic: They've been using it since they made the movie about that man

Adam Kovic: who died on that boat.

Adam Kovic: So I

Aaron: Laroche.

Adam Kovic: don't know.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: All right.

Adam Kovic: Years ago I had drinks with

Adam Kovic: some, uh, random like not really

Adam Kovic: industry people, but one of the

Adam Kovic: guys was saying like, oh yeah, I

Adam Kovic: work at a studio in Santa

Adam Kovic: Monica.

Adam Kovic: I did all the rotoscoping for Titanic.

Adam Kovic: Uh, he's like, you know, anytime a guy fell and like hit

Adam Kovic: something, that was me.

Adam Kovic: Well, that's cool.

Aaron: Mhm.

Adam Kovic: Good for you.

Adam Kovic: But that was all like early,

Adam Kovic: early After Effects all done by

Adam Kovic: hand.

Adam Kovic: And now that's just a button you click and it, it does the thing.

Adam Kovic: I don't know if you've messed with that at all, but it's nice.

Aaron: Yeah,

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: that's also very good.

Aaron: Like it's very hard for a VFX

Aaron: person to go like to have like

Aaron: a, an angle or hook to the thing

Aaron: that they do, you know, but to

Aaron: be able to say like, yeah, the

Aaron: guy that falls hits the

Aaron: propeller as he's going down,

Aaron: that's me.

Aaron: That's like, ah, you know,

Aaron: because all, you know, because

Aaron: mostly you're saying these

Aaron: things to women in bars and the

Aaron: other things you say are like,

Aaron: yeah, you know, like, uh, when

Aaron: their hand would cross a go, an

Aaron: object, I would go in between

Aaron: the fingers and, and they'd be

Aaron: like, aha.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: Mhm. And they're like, just

Aaron: waiting for you to pay for the

Aaron: drink.

Aaron: But like the propeller thing, I

Aaron: feel like that would get you

Aaron: laid.

Adam Kovic: Maybe it's just kind of funny, too.

Adam Kovic: It's like, hey, you know that thing you didn't notice?

Adam Kovic: That was me.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: The thing I did so well, you know?

Adam Kovic: It's like, no, I didn't stop trying

Aaron: Yeah,

Adam Kovic: to stop trying to have sex with me, sir.

Aaron: yeah.

Aaron: it's like you're just supposed to.

Aaron: You're just supposed to do your job.

Adam Kovic: Mhm.

Aaron: And I'm not supposed to notice you.

Adam Kovic: And that's that's what we do.

Adam Kovic: Uh, I've been having a hell of a time, though, having Claude use

Adam Kovic: blender for me and make 3D models of you when

Aaron: Mhm.

Adam Kovic: I have footage of you.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: But I'd rather have your derpy hands going through a keyboard.

Adam Kovic: It's been just fun to watch.

Aaron: I mean, fun, or is it fucking up and you're not able to do it?

Adam Kovic: No. It's working.

Adam Kovic: Like,

Aaron: Oh, okay.

Adam Kovic: I have a working edit.

Adam Kovic: I'm.

Adam Kovic: I just did my voiceover for it.

Adam Kovic: I was using placeholder, so I just recorded my stuff.

Adam Kovic: I'm putting that in.

Adam Kovic: It's like.

Aaron: When do I do my voiceover?

Adam Kovic: You're not doing anything.

Adam Kovic: You're,

Aaron: Okay.

Adam Kovic: you're the subject of the thing

Adam Kovic: and I'm talking about you and

Adam Kovic: saying

Aaron: Now

Adam Kovic: all

Aaron: I

Adam Kovic: the things

Aaron: see

Adam Kovic: about

Aaron: why you're

Adam Kovic: you.

Aaron: so excited by it.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. Because.

Aaron: You're getting out all of your anger

Adam Kovic: No,

Aaron: and

Adam Kovic: I'm making

Aaron: frustration.

Adam Kovic: it. The problem with the vitamin.

Adam Kovic: I wouldn't even call it a problem.

Adam Kovic: I mean, it's it's said in the videos, like, you know, this

Adam Kovic: thing kind of starts off as a joke and by the end, it is kind

Adam Kovic: of a emotionally gripping.

Adam Kovic: Uh,

Aaron: Well, that was supposed to be the idea.

Adam Kovic: yeah. Well, I, I, I mean, in my,

Adam Kovic: when we recorded the podcast

Adam Kovic: thing we were talking about,

Adam Kovic: it's us just trying to be jokey,

Adam Kovic: jokey, which is a waste of

Adam Kovic: everyone's

Aaron: I

Adam Kovic: fucking

Aaron: know

Adam Kovic: time.

Aaron: we drifted, and that always

Aaron: happens when you're paying for

Aaron: studio space.

Adam Kovic: I

Aaron: You.

Adam Kovic: know.

Aaron: You forget yourself.

Aaron: But

Adam Kovic: Yeah,

Aaron: anyway.

Aaron: Go

Adam Kovic: I

Aaron: on.

Adam Kovic: just, I, this is a, I feel like

Adam Kovic: a more natural version of what

Adam Kovic: this should be because yeah,

Adam Kovic: like there's some funny little

Adam Kovic: bits I'm putting in there, a

Adam Kovic: couple little funny edits, but

Adam Kovic: like by the end when you're

Adam Kovic: talking to Kenny, like it is

Adam Kovic: sad.

Aaron: Yeah, that was the way the story is supposed to go.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: It was it's a what's set up as a

Aaron: farce and like, look, you know,

Aaron: at this ridiculous thing you

Aaron: get, eventually you get into a

Aaron: real world, someone who's

Aaron: directly dealing with it and is

Aaron: like at their wit's end and is

Aaron: being taken advantage of by, by

Aaron: big blood.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: Essentially.

Adam Kovic: The other really sad part was where you did the screen

Adam Kovic: recorder, not realizing it doesn't capture audio.

Adam Kovic: So that was sad.

Aaron: No, I have audio of it.

Aaron: I put, uh, I had to record it.

Aaron: So things, certain things fucked up because of, uh, well,

Adam Kovic: Aaron.

Aaron: well, yeah, but also like waiting on people to answer the

Aaron: phone in there fifteen minutes late and then running out of car

Aaron: and like doing multiple things.

Aaron: But I, with Kenny, I recorded on my phone and I put the phone

Aaron: recording in that folder I shared with you.

Aaron: Or at

Adam Kovic: Yeah,

Aaron: least

Adam Kovic: I

Aaron: it

Adam Kovic: got

Aaron: should

Adam Kovic: I

Aaron: be.

Adam Kovic: got his audio.

Adam Kovic: It's just, it's so much fun to sync that stuff together.

Aaron: I'm

Adam Kovic: Thank

Aaron: sorry.

Adam Kovic: you.

Adam Kovic: It's okay.

Adam Kovic: Just pay the twenty bucks for

Adam Kovic: Zoom Pro or use my account, I

Adam Kovic: don't care.

Aaron: Yes,

Adam Kovic: Next

Aaron: this

Adam Kovic: time.

Aaron: is all

Adam Kovic: Next.

Aaron: true.

Adam Kovic: Next time you do a blood boy investigation.

Adam Kovic: I do hope you do something like this again, though, because, I

Adam Kovic: mean, the article was great, but again, we live in a visual age

Adam Kovic: and seeing it all come together like in a video form.

Adam Kovic: Now I'm like, this is we, we need to do more of this.

Adam Kovic: This is important.

Adam Kovic: This is actually like good journalism, even though it's

Adam Kovic: looking like a fern rip off.

Aaron: Well,

Adam Kovic: Um, but

Aaron: that's

Adam Kovic: it's.

Aaron: literally the kind of thing that I'd want to do.

Aaron: Like, like for, you know, like success or something.

Aaron: Like it's this kind of stuff where it's, it is the tone is.

Aaron: I mean, it's me writing wise, but it's, I mean, you have your

Aaron: own tone writing wise and editing wise too, but it's that

Aaron: those tones with tackling something like that on its face

Aaron: seems like a gonzo farce.

Aaron: And then as you get into it, you get into like a reality, a truth

Aaron: that you kind of you kind of sleepwalk into it.

Aaron: And when you actually realize like, oh, what?

Aaron: I was watching this at laughing.

Aaron: At first, and then I'm in this, this very real thing.

Aaron: I had no idea.

Aaron: And that's the way it should be.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. No, you you weave that.

Adam Kovic: Well, I mean, it came through,

Adam Kovic: like I said in the article, it's

Adam Kovic: just actually hearing Kenny

Adam Kovic: talk.

Adam Kovic: It's heartbreaking.

Adam Kovic: Like,

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: and I'm, I'm excited to I, I

Adam Kovic: think I'll get it done this

Adam Kovic: week.

Adam Kovic: So, um, should get that out soonish.

Adam Kovic: But um, yeah, I'm excited.

Adam Kovic: I'm excited to put that out.

Aaron: I almost think that there should be a I don't know if this is too

Aaron: much, but I'd like to have a GoFundMe for Kenny just because

Aaron: he's such a nice dude.

Aaron: And I, you know, like I tried to I obviously I paid him for his

Aaron: interview and stuff like that and, and a little more, but, you

Aaron: know, he's just such a good guy.

Aaron: And I know like, you can't we

Aaron: can't just help everyone, you

Aaron: know, because it's got to be a

Aaron: bigger movement of help for

Aaron: people.

Aaron: But like, it would be cool if someone listening like, you

Aaron: know, threw in a few bucks and we just kind of put it all into

Aaron: this thing and just like sent it to him, but I don't know.

Aaron: We'll see.

Aaron: See

Adam Kovic: They

Aaron: if

Adam Kovic: just

Aaron: we can't

Adam Kovic: want his

Aaron: do.

Adam Kovic: blood.

Aaron: Yeah. Like, hey, I really enjoyed this video, Kenny.

Aaron: And it really sold me on your blood.

Aaron: So,

Adam Kovic: Yeah,

Aaron: um.

Adam Kovic: I got you.

Adam Kovic: Ticket to Thailand.

Adam Kovic: You're going to meet me there,

Aaron: Yeah,

Adam Kovic: and you're never coming home

Aaron: yeah.

Adam Kovic: anyway. Um. Well, yeah, I want to get that out this week.

Adam Kovic: I had to buy some hardware.

Adam Kovic: Uh, I'm trying to reverse engineer everything.

Adam Kovic: I know it's reverse engineer anything.

Adam Kovic: Aria is the app.

Adam Kovic: I'm trying to fix my four

Adam Kovic: hundred dollars remote Indiegogo

Adam Kovic: scam.

Aaron: Right.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. Um, you know, I respect the French, but fuck these guys.

Aaron: Uh.

Adam Kovic: Seriously?

Adam Kovic: Seven hugs, worst stupid name ever.

Adam Kovic: They created this cool little touch screen remote.

Adam Kovic: The idea is that you pointed at

Adam Kovic: something and it will recognize

Adam Kovic: it, and it will auto switch to

Adam Kovic: that device.

Adam Kovic: Sounds great.

Adam Kovic: That technology got bought out by some other bigger company,

Adam Kovic: and then they basically had to brick all their remotes.

Adam Kovic: It's bullshit.

Aaron: That is bullshit.

Adam Kovic: It is bullshit.

Adam Kovic: I don't

Aaron: And.

Adam Kovic: know how bricked it is, but people are selling the remote on

Adam Kovic: eBay for six dollars, so.

Aaron: I, I mean, I, I feel like it's bricked to someone who, who

Aaron: doesn't have the, the, it was brick before we had Claude, etc.

Aaron: to be able to dig into something and be like, oh, is it this

Aaron: protocol or this protocol?

Aaron: And then you tell it, you know, and give it the serial number

Aaron: and it's like, all right, I'm already in the remote.

Aaron: Tell me what you want to point it at, you

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: know, like, all right.

Adam Kovic: Well, so for this one, I had to

Adam Kovic: buy a Raspberry Pi like debug

Adam Kovic: kit because.

Adam Kovic: And then I bought another remote because Claude suggested I rip

Adam Kovic: the thing apart.

Adam Kovic: And I have to, like, use these readers on it to basically get,

Adam Kovic: I think like it's not the firmware necessarily, but it's

Adam Kovic: essentially the operating system that's running on it.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: The goal is to, because it's a cloud based remote.

Adam Kovic: So you can still, I believe,

Adam Kovic: update it if you download the

Adam Kovic: like the Android APK that's

Adam Kovic: available.

Adam Kovic: But if you're on Apple, you're fucked because they just, they

Adam Kovic: took that app down.

Adam Kovic: So unless you I don't know or I guess if you had already kept

Adam Kovic: the, the app downloaded.

Adam Kovic: But regardless, like if you try

Adam Kovic: to add a new device, it tries to

Adam Kovic: make a DNS call to some cloud

Adam Kovic: service provider that no longer

Adam Kovic: exists.

Adam Kovic: So.

Aaron: So this remote has a processor in it and a way to connect to

Aaron: Wi-Fi and stuff.

Adam Kovic: Oh, it's on the Wi-Fi right now.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: Um, but I was able to get it to connect to my computer monitor,

Adam Kovic: like my computer.

Adam Kovic: I, you know, have that huge Samsung Odyssey thing or

Adam Kovic: whatever it uses a remote, but so it accepts IR connections.

Adam Kovic: But I got it to sync to it and I like I had a holy shit moment

Adam Kovic: like, okay, cool.

Adam Kovic: It isn't, it isn't an expensive brick anymore.

Adam Kovic: It can actually still add new devices and delete devices.

Adam Kovic: So then the next logical step was, okay, how do we completely

Adam Kovic: open source this?

Adam Kovic: So people who own this remote

Adam Kovic: remote can still make it a

Adam Kovic: usable device.

Adam Kovic: So that's my, my goal because the last post on like the seven

Adam Kovic: hugs subreddit was like five years ago when they said, hello,

Adam Kovic: can someone help me?

Adam Kovic: My, my device is bricked.

Adam Kovic: It doesn't

Aaron: Is

Adam Kovic: work

Aaron: someone

Adam Kovic: anymore.

Aaron: gonna get pissed off at you for doing this?

Aaron: The company that bought out the remote, are they going to go

Aaron: like, well, we bought this out for a reason, and then you

Adam Kovic: Well, they

Aaron: have

Adam Kovic: bought

Aaron: a

Adam Kovic: it

Aaron: cease

Adam Kovic: for

Aaron: and desist.

Adam Kovic: they bought it for the technology.

Adam Kovic: I'm not doing anything with that.

Adam Kovic: I'm just making the remote usable.

Adam Kovic: I'm doing what they should have

Adam Kovic: done, which is open source, the

Adam Kovic: software.

Adam Kovic: But, um.

Adam Kovic: No, I'll make sure whatever I do is a, you know, it's it falls

Adam Kovic: within the guidelines of whatever an open source license.

Adam Kovic: And I'm not doing any of this for profit.

Adam Kovic: It's just I don't know.

Adam Kovic: It's a legitimate concern I have

Adam Kovic: where if you're going to release

Adam Kovic: a device and have people pay

Adam Kovic: money for it, they should not

Adam Kovic: have the ability to remotely

Adam Kovic: brick it.

Aaron: Is this?

Aaron: Does this fall under right to repair?

Aaron: Or is this like some other like similar type thing?

Aaron: But it's like right to upgrade

Aaron: or right to, to non

Aaron: obsolescence.

Aaron: I don't know, like,

Adam Kovic: I'll, I'll ask the judge

Aaron: yeah.

Adam Kovic: when I, I decide to represent myself.

Aaron: They're like, put the spit mask on and we're tired of listening

Aaron: to his bullshit.

Adam Kovic: Well, it's a French company though.

Adam Kovic: The company that got bought out by might be American.

Adam Kovic: So we'll see.

Adam Kovic: I don't know, I don't I don't have to claim ownership of this,

Adam Kovic: but even if it comes down to I just did it for myself and

Adam Kovic: putting it out there that like, hey, you can do this yourself.

Adam Kovic: I'm not telling you how to do it, but I can tell my story of

Adam Kovic: how I did it.

Aaron: Mhm.

Adam Kovic: Um, and someone else can, you

Adam Kovic: know, who's in a better position

Adam Kovic: than myself to release this sort

Adam Kovic: of stuff.

Adam Kovic: And I don't know how many people actually even have this remote,

Adam Kovic: one less guy in eBay.

Adam Kovic: That's what I know.

Aaron: Yeah. I'm guessing it's you and

Aaron: maybe two other people, but

Aaron: they'll

Adam Kovic: Yeah,

Aaron: probably be pleased

Adam Kovic: maybe

Aaron: with whatever you're doing.

Adam Kovic: I, I think it's, I don't know, Spotify did the same thing with

Adam Kovic: the, the car thing.

Adam Kovic: I don't know if you saw that little, it's like a, just a cool

Adam Kovic: little device for people who don't have a, you know, an iPad

Adam Kovic: in their car

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: and as a way to have like a touch screen, little, little

Adam Kovic: click wheel thing, it looked like a little iPod or something.

Adam Kovic: You just put it in your car and it lets you, it connects to your

Adam Kovic: Spotify and you, it's just a neat little thing.

Adam Kovic: And they said, well, not, not

Adam Kovic: enough people bought it, so

Adam Kovic: we're going to remotely brick

Adam Kovic: it.

Adam Kovic: And here are some places where you can throw it away.

Adam Kovic: Like that is so utterly wasteful.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: It's just backwards and just so stupid.

Adam Kovic: It's the whole thing with like

Adam Kovic: how, you know, AI is allowed to

Adam Kovic: be trained on books if you burn

Adam Kovic: the book.

Adam Kovic: I was like, why do we invent these stupid fucking rules?

Adam Kovic: I don't get it.

Adam Kovic: Like, can we just have just a wee bit of common sense?

Adam Kovic: I ask, please, that we don't have to make up these dumb

Adam Kovic: loopholes for ourselves.

Aaron: What's good for my buddy Wes with these electronics?

Aaron: Because then he can harvest the gold out of him in his shed that

Aaron: he built for that purpose.

Aaron: So

Adam Kovic: What else

Aaron: at

Adam Kovic: is

Aaron: least

Adam Kovic: here?

Aaron: someone's doing something with it.

Adam Kovic: What else does he do in the shed?

Aaron: Uh, well, what would you do if you had, um, five kids?

Aaron: Now, I

Adam Kovic: MM.

Aaron: can't remember, but.

Aaron: Yeah, well, a lot, a lot of

Aaron: harvesting gold, a lot of

Aaron: jacking it.

Adam Kovic: I was going to say it would be renamed the Jack shack, but

Adam Kovic: that's only for, you know, that's dad's time.

Adam Kovic: That's daddy

Aaron: Um.

Adam Kovic: time.

Aaron: Don't don't interrupt.

Aaron: Daddy.

Aaron: I'm smelting.

Adam Kovic: Smelting all over the place.

Aaron: Uh.

Adam Kovic: Wi-Fi is a little weak over here.

Adam Kovic: Smelting is going slow.

Aaron: Then I now I want to see this

Aaron: edit of this thing that you're

Aaron: doing.

Aaron: Well, I guess I will, but like,

Aaron: I do want to do more of those

Aaron: things.

Aaron: Those are the things I like.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: But I ask again, is it I know it's like, uh, it's like a kind

Aaron: of parody of fern almost.

Aaron: And it's look, but is it so

Aaron: close that people are going to

Aaron: be like, this is fucking fern or

Aaron: no?

Adam Kovic: I hope not, but also, I don't care because I don't know.

Adam Kovic: I mean, I feel like there's a

Adam Kovic: lot more stock footage than what

Adam Kovic: they use.

Adam Kovic: I'm using the 3D stuff pretty

Adam Kovic: sparingly because it it is a bit

Adam Kovic: time consuming.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: Um, a lot of motion graphics.

Adam Kovic: A lot of I don't know, at the

Adam Kovic: end of the day, it's our

Adam Kovic: original reporting.

Adam Kovic: So it's just

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: the fun I'm having with it is they do these little.

Adam Kovic: Um, have you ever seen their videos?

Adam Kovic: They have just these, what are they called?

Adam Kovic: Um, like annotations on the bottom of their video.

Adam Kovic: So like almost every shot they have,

Aaron: Yes.

Adam Kovic: it's referring to a Google doc.

Adam Kovic: So you can see their research, which is like good for them.

Adam Kovic: That's appreciative, but that must be hell for the editor to

Adam Kovic: make sure it all correlates, when in reality, you probably

Adam Kovic: could just link to the doc.

Adam Kovic: You don't have to do that.

Adam Kovic: But

Aaron: Well.

Adam Kovic: it's just like they're, I don't

Adam Kovic: know, it's a testament to how

Adam Kovic: overengineered their show is, I

Adam Kovic: think.

Aaron: I mean now. Yeah. And I'm, I, I know they do that.

Aaron: I'm looking at it right now and it has like, it's weird the, the

Aaron: kind of the sub notes here, they're really, really small,

Adam Kovic: Mhm.

Aaron: Super small, but like, really what you could do is whatever

Aaron: the final edit is, you know, you hop, you push out the transcript

Aaron: and then have, you know, uh, whatever researcher you want to,

Aaron: to do it open

Adam Kovic: Oh,

Aaron: AI or

Adam Kovic: no.

Aaron: whatever.

Adam Kovic: I'm already

Aaron: And yeah.

Adam Kovic: doing that.

Adam Kovic: And it's a lot of it's being like.

Adam Kovic: So anytime I use a clip, it's

Adam Kovic: like, uh, uh, source envato

Adam Kovic: elements.

Adam Kovic: Um, black man gets blood taken

Adam Kovic: like that's the name of the

Adam Kovic: video.

Adam Kovic: And then there's just other

Adam Kovic: parts where it's like the editor

Adam Kovic: me is like having like a cry for

Adam Kovic: help of like, can anyone read

Adam Kovic: this?

Adam Kovic: Like, please send help.

Adam Kovic: Uh, so I'm having fun with it.

Adam Kovic: I'm doing little.

Adam Kovic: So it is a parody.

Adam Kovic: I'm not just copying them for

Adam Kovic: the sake and I will never do

Adam Kovic: this again.

Adam Kovic: Like that's the other thing.

Adam Kovic: It's a one off.

Adam Kovic: It was, this is fun to do.

Adam Kovic: I've always wanted to do something like this.

Adam Kovic: I'm terrible at 3D, uh,

Aaron: Yeah. But

Adam Kovic: design.

Aaron: the thing is, is if it is your

Aaron: type of visual, like of a, you

Aaron: know, someone who's obviously

Aaron: been horribly disfigured kind of

Aaron: looking thing.

Adam Kovic: Mhm.

Aaron: Like usually you do that kind of

Aaron: with clip Photoshop type art,

Aaron: but if it is that type of thing,

Aaron: there's

Adam Kovic: Mhm.

Aaron: no reason why you can't do it because that is your style.

Aaron: Like it's so definitively

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: your style.

Aaron: And like I'm, you know, ferns

Aaron: stuff is like, it's odd and like

Aaron: weird 3D model things, but it's

Aaron: still like, it's not like it's

Aaron: funny, odd.

Aaron: It's

Adam Kovic: Mhm.

Aaron: just kind of, it's like when

Aaron: you're having a nightmare and

Aaron: you know, these like mannequins

Aaron: are coming to life kind of

Aaron: thing.

Aaron: That's what it's kind of like.

Aaron: Um, but I know yours will be

Aaron: like, it'll be like the, a

Aaron: glitching video game,

Aaron: essentially.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. Oh, no. I'm like, I, I want it to be derpy.

Adam Kovic: So like you're my main model.

Adam Kovic: I,

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: I got your face plastered on a

Adam Kovic: 3D model that kind of looked

Adam Kovic: like you.

Adam Kovic: And it's.

Adam Kovic: The hands are constantly glitching through the keyboard.

Adam Kovic: Like it just looks bad.

Adam Kovic: But it's funny.

Adam Kovic: Bad.

Adam Kovic: Um, I'm pulling assets from Sketchfab that like anything

Adam Kovic: that I can get for free.

Adam Kovic: I'm

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: trying.

Adam Kovic: I'm trying to make Kenny look as

Adam Kovic: normal as possible because I

Adam Kovic: feel like that's a disservice

Adam Kovic: to.

Adam Kovic: I showed you the screenshot yesterday.

Adam Kovic: I'm like, Dear

Aaron: Right.

Adam Kovic: God, look what it made.

Adam Kovic: Um, this is bad.

Adam Kovic: So I'm going in by hand and

Adam Kovic: trying to clean up some of that

Adam Kovic: stuff.

Adam Kovic: But like, no, I, I again, it's a one off parody.

Adam Kovic: This is not a, um, this is not a business venture, uh, where I

Adam Kovic: want to just rip off the work of eight hundred people.

Adam Kovic: This has been my life.

Adam Kovic: I've always just been parroting other things that are more

Adam Kovic: popular than me.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: That's, that's all I've ever wanted to do.

Adam Kovic: It's like,

Aaron: You're

Adam Kovic: that's.

Aaron: a vessel for the successful.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. I'm basically those knockoff asylum movies.

Aaron: You're like the case.

Aaron: The Rolex comes in.

Adam Kovic: Did you watch that?

Adam Kovic: What was that movie where, uh, Peter Weller is like a lawyer

Adam Kovic: with a gun?

Aaron: I sent that to you.

Adam Kovic: I know, did you end up watching it?

Aaron: Uh, I probably already forget what it's called.

Adam Kovic: Me,

Aaron: It's

Adam Kovic: too.

Aaron: called.

Aaron: It's called.

Aaron: God damn it.

Adam Kovic: Fighting

Aaron: I meant

Adam Kovic: justice or

Aaron: no

Adam Kovic: something?

Aaron: Sam Elliott.

Adam Kovic: A young Sam Elliott,

Aaron: Peter

Adam Kovic: which is still

Aaron: Weller.

Adam Kovic: an old

Aaron: Shakedown.

Adam Kovic: Sam Elliott.

Adam Kovic: Oh, shakedown, nineteen eighty eight.

Adam Kovic: Was

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: it the

Aaron: It

Adam Kovic: year

Aaron: looks

Adam Kovic: you were born?

Aaron: it looks really good.

Aaron: And judging by Siskel and Ebert,

Aaron: period review of it, it's

Aaron: probably really, really good

Aaron: because they're both like the

Aaron: either I want to say, uh, Gene

Aaron: Siskel is like, this is too over

Aaron: the top.

Aaron: You know, he's kind of like square, you know, whatever.

Aaron: Take on the thing and he's like,

Aaron: at at odds with Roger Ebert on

Aaron: it.

Aaron: I'm like, okay, I definitely gotta see this.

Aaron: Um,

Adam Kovic: Wait,

Aaron: and

Adam Kovic: Ebert liked it.

Aaron: no, or

Adam Kovic: Oh.

Aaron: yeah, I think Robert E oh hold on, I got it right here.

Aaron: Um, I think Roger Ebert appreciated what it was, which

Aaron: any good person would, uh, let's see Roger Ebert's review.

Aaron: Roger Ebert gave the film a

Aaron: mixed positive review, praising

Aaron: its high energy stunts,

Aaron: including a roller coaster fight

Aaron: and a car to plane leap while

Aaron: noting that it prioritized

Aaron: action over deep character

Aaron: development.

Aaron: Plot logic.

Aaron: Who gives a shit about

Adam Kovic: I don't know.

Aaron: it?

Aaron: That's not what that's about.

Aaron: It's

Adam Kovic: That's

Aaron: about

Adam Kovic: what.

Aaron: Sam Elliott lives in a movie

Aaron: theater, and he wakes up in a

Aaron: movie theater.

Aaron: Like in the morning, he wakes up

Aaron: in the middle of a movie that's

Aaron: being watched.

Aaron: He has a beer in his hand, he

Aaron: drinks from the beer, and then

Aaron: he makes his way down to the

Aaron: theater bathroom, where he has a

Aaron: secret compartment and he starts

Aaron: brushing.

Aaron: He gets his toothbrush out of there and starts brushing his

Aaron: teeth and stuff.

Aaron: And then Peter Weller shows up and is like, this is great.

Aaron: Nice.

Aaron: I like what you did with the place.

Aaron: And he's like, he's talking

Aaron: about how the crackheads have

Aaron: moved in and made his movie

Aaron: theater dirty.

Aaron: Like they're in the wrong.

Aaron: Like there's no heroes here.

Adam Kovic: I just.

Aaron: Anyway, I'm going to watch it, and then I'll do a full review.

Adam Kovic: Thank you.

Adam Kovic: Well, you sent me the scene where Peter Weller and Sam

Adam Kovic: Elliott, like, accost a biker gang of the saddest looking

Adam Kovic: biker gang I've ever seen.

Adam Kovic: And they, of course, take the the bike with three wheels.

Adam Kovic: Um, and then Peter Weller as his lawyer, is doing the shooting.

Aaron: Yeah, he's shooting from the little side car.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: No.

Adam Kovic: Which I'm

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: no,

Aaron: He's

Adam Kovic: he's

Aaron: on.

Adam Kovic: I think he's shooting from the back.

Aaron: He's shooting from the back.

Aaron: He's like holding on to Sam Elliott shoulders

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: and shooting

Adam Kovic: Which

Aaron: from that.

Adam Kovic: I

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: just feel like is crossing a line for a lawyer.

Adam Kovic: I mean, I know they're not going for reality here, but that

Adam Kovic: disqualifies him as a lawyer in so many ways.

Adam Kovic: Like send it to the legal eagle or whatever.

Adam Kovic: Like if you were representing

Adam Kovic: your client and you both got on

Adam Kovic: a motorcycle to shoot at one of

Adam Kovic: the suspects in your upcoming

Adam Kovic: trial?

Adam Kovic: Does that does that go towards a

Adam Kovic: mistrial or who like, I don't

Adam Kovic: know, does

Aaron: What's great.

Adam Kovic: that.

Aaron: He's a public defender in the movie.

Aaron: And as soon as like they're in the courtroom, what needs to

Aaron: happen is the prosecutor comes in is like, uh, before we even

Aaron: start this case, I want to play something for you.

Aaron: And he puts on this video of

Aaron: Peter Weller shooting a gun in

Aaron: public from a trike that he just

Aaron: stole.

Aaron: He tell he holds the biker like

Aaron: the biker gang has nothing to do

Aaron: with.

Aaron: They're just riding by, you know, and

Adam Kovic: In

Aaron: they

Adam Kovic: like

Aaron: commandeer

Adam Kovic: New York traffic

Aaron: the

Adam Kovic: for

Aaron: the motorcycle.

Adam Kovic: some reason.

Aaron: And

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: I think Peter Weller says, get the fuck off or something or

Aaron: like, fuck off and then holds the holds them at gunpoint so

Aaron: they can steal their trike.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: Like all the prosecution has to

Aaron: do is like, let's not even have

Aaron: a trial.

Aaron: Let me show you two minutes of what happened last night.

Aaron: And then, uh, yeah.

Aaron: And then at some point there, as Peter Weller and Sam Elliott are

Aaron: chasing what looks like a priest, like it's the this black

Aaron: guy that they're chasing who they just assumed was guilty.

Aaron: Well, well, they, I

Adam Kovic: I

Aaron: think

Adam Kovic: mean, you're

Aaron: they started.

Adam Kovic: coming into the middle of the movie, so you don't know,

Aaron: Yeah, I don't know

Adam Kovic: but

Aaron: either, but

Adam Kovic: it doesn't look good in the context of

Aaron: I

Adam Kovic: things.

Aaron: do know that they started

Aaron: shooting at him first and made

Aaron: him pull out those Uzis from

Aaron: under his.

Aaron: It looked like like a priest smock or something.

Aaron: But anyway, they're shooting at

Aaron: this guy and they're coming up

Aaron: to a bridge that's unfinished or

Aaron: something.

Aaron: I don't

Adam Kovic: It's

Aaron: know,

Adam Kovic: a

Aaron: just.

Adam Kovic: it's an unfinished highway in downtown New York.

Aaron: Yeah, downtown New York as it is

Aaron: with with no like barriers or

Aaron: anything.

Aaron: And so Sam Elliott just just says, Peter Weller, get off.

Aaron: And Peter Weller, like rolls off of this trike as it's going

Aaron: fifty miles an hour.

Aaron: And then the, the black dude that they're chasing goes over

Aaron: the end, his car like explodes and Sam Elliot's try goes off

Aaron: the edge, and Sam Elliot's just hanging off the side of this

Aaron: this unfinished bridge to like, it's not even a bridge.

Aaron: It's just like above the street.

Aaron: And then we found out they made that movie for what would be the

Aaron: equivalent of seventeen million dollars today in

Adam Kovic: I mean, that's

Aaron: downtown

Adam Kovic: it.

Aaron: New York.

Adam Kovic: That's an indie movie.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: I just the court saying, just

Adam Kovic: like, ladies and gentlemen of

Adam Kovic: the jury.

Adam Kovic: Is this the sort of behavior that the ACLU is known for?

Aaron: Yeah. I mean, it's like when you're trying to try a case and

Aaron: the things, the, the things you did to get the defendant there

Aaron: or the yeah, the defendant there is like you did multiple

Aaron: felonies just to get him there.

Aaron: You did things that someone

Aaron: would like be the death penalty

Aaron: for.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. Well,

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: we we all, like, waved a finger

Adam Kovic: at all the work that the, the

Adam Kovic: prosecution did in JFK, where

Adam Kovic: they were just going like a lot

Adam Kovic: of homophobia and other stuff,

Adam Kovic: kind of,

Aaron: Yeah,

Adam Kovic: you

Aaron: yeah.

Adam Kovic: know, built in.

Adam Kovic: You're like, well, this seems to kind of cross a line on some of

Adam Kovic: the stuff you're doing, but something maybe hanging off the

Adam Kovic: back of a motorcycle.

Adam Kovic: Sam Elliott.

Adam Kovic: Firing a gun at a would be witness.

Aaron: I got a, I got a, I have to watch this full movie.

Aaron: I can't do the thing where I

Aaron: just watch all the clips of it

Aaron: on YouTube.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. That's not healthy.

Adam Kovic: Well, I hope you can find it.

Adam Kovic: I don't who knows where they're

Adam Kovic: even rent a movie like that

Adam Kovic: these

Aaron: I

Adam Kovic: days.

Aaron: think YouTube will let me rent it.

Aaron: Let me see here.

Adam Kovic: Really?

Adam Kovic: They'll allow you.

Aaron: There's, uh, well, there's some

Aaron: videos of it is Shake Down, the

Aaron: craziest buddy cop movie of the

Aaron: eighties.

Aaron: I don't need to look at that shake down movie.

Aaron: Let's see.

Aaron: Let's see how much it cost to rent, buy

Adam Kovic: For

Aaron: or rent.

Adam Kovic: four bucks?

Aaron: I can rent it in high definition, which it's it'll be

Aaron: standard definition, but for

Adam Kovic: Yeah,

Aaron: four bucks.

Adam Kovic: there it is.

Adam Kovic: Okay, good.

Adam Kovic: That's all.

Adam Kovic: The prices of things have gone way up.

Adam Kovic: I feel like rentals are still somewhat fair.

Adam Kovic: Well,

Aaron: Not

Adam Kovic: unless

Aaron: for.

Adam Kovic: you

Aaron: Not

Adam Kovic: get

Aaron: for new movies.

Adam Kovic: no new movies is like fifty five dollars.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: That's a thing too.

Adam Kovic: Or they're like, you know,

Adam Kovic: digger is going to lose two

Adam Kovic: hundred and fifty million

Adam Kovic: dollars no one wanted to see in

Adam Kovic: theaters.

Adam Kovic: It's like, well, I wanted to go see Resident Evil.

Adam Kovic: I had some time to kill one night.

Adam Kovic: It was thirty bucks to

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: go see it.

Adam Kovic: And I was like, okay, like, this

Adam Kovic: isn't I don't want to do my Andy

Adam Kovic: Rooney thing, but like, that's a

Adam Kovic: lot of money for an hour and a

Adam Kovic: half.

Adam Kovic: Like,

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: I mean, right, am I crazy?

Adam Kovic: I

Aaron: Sorry.

Adam Kovic: don't know.

Aaron: I'm just.

Aaron: I'm looking at some of these

Aaron: shakedown stills when they're on

Aaron: the trike.

Aaron: It's obviously the stuntman that they use for Sam Elliott.

Aaron: They obviously just put, like, a

Aaron: gold prospector wig and mustache

Aaron: on him.

Aaron: Like it's pretty bad.

Aaron: Peter Weller, they just threw a white dude, you know, on

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: it. But like Sam Elliott, it's he looks like he's going out to

Aaron: California to stake a claim.

Aaron: And

Adam Kovic: Right?

Aaron: he just happens to be on a motorcycle.

Adam Kovic: Well, that was also around the time he was in Roadhouse, right?

Aaron: Roadhouse.

Aaron: And, uh, now, tombstone was a couple years after, but.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: I didn't know what a Sam Elliott

Adam Kovic: was until, like, The Big

Adam Kovic: Lebowski.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: So he, Sam Elliott will always

Adam Kovic: be a nineties or later actor for

Adam Kovic: me, or I believe he was in

Adam Kovic: angley's Hulk,

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: which you want to see a movie that hasn't aged well.

Adam Kovic: You want to see some like bad claymation fighting each other

Adam Kovic: in the in a lake.

Adam Kovic: Oof!

Aaron: No, I need to want.

Aaron: Okay, I'm going to just watch

Aaron: clip three, the fight at the

Aaron: amusement park.

Aaron: And then I am going to rent this.

Adam Kovic: Okay.

Aaron: I'm not going to go down the hole where I spent an hour

Aaron: watching three minutes at a time, which could happen.

Adam Kovic: How long is the movie?

Aaron: Nineteen eighty eight buddy cop movie.

Aaron: I can't imagine it's longer than eighty eight minutes or ninety

Aaron: three minutes or something.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: Actually,

Adam Kovic: With.

Aaron: no, at that time they would have been like an hour and ten or

Aaron: something like that.

Aaron: But.

Adam Kovic: Yeah, I guess also, are you going to watch the director's

Adam Kovic: cut like I did of the, I think it was nineteen ninety Sevens

Adam Kovic: drive, not the the Gosling

Aaron: Not the one with

Adam Kovic: one.

Aaron: Gosling.

Adam Kovic: No. Um, well, my, my sister had

Adam Kovic: told me she's like, oh, I watch

Adam Kovic: drive.

Adam Kovic: It's kind of weird.

Adam Kovic: My, all my friends, it's good.

Adam Kovic: But like, it's kind of weird and

Adam Kovic: send me a link and I'm like,

Adam Kovic: that's from nineteen ninety

Adam Kovic: seven.

Adam Kovic: Uh, that's the one with, uh, what's his name?

Adam Kovic: The whatever.

Adam Kovic: The Iron Chef guy.

Aaron: Oh.

Adam Kovic: Mark Dacascos.

Adam Kovic: Is that his name?

Adam Kovic: I don't, I forget whatever he was a double dragon

Aaron: Uh.

Adam Kovic: and

Aaron: Huh.

Adam Kovic: in a John Wick. Um, it's a, it's

Adam Kovic: a terrible movie, and I, I

Adam Kovic: accidentally watched the

Adam Kovic: director's cut, which is

Adam Kovic: slightly better.

Aaron: You know what this is?

Aaron: Shakedown.

Aaron: It's an answer to lethal weapon is

Adam Kovic: Of course

Aaron: what

Adam Kovic: it

Aaron: it

Adam Kovic: is.

Aaron: is.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: But they're like, yeah, but we

Aaron: can't it can't be one white guy

Aaron: and one black guy because that's

Aaron: been done.

Aaron: What if we just make it two white guys and then that's where

Aaron: they went, but then they had to change it a little bit.

Aaron: It's not in LA, it's in New York.

Aaron: I see what's going on here because I see Sam Elliott in the

Aaron: same kind of hat and jacket and jeans that that Martin Riggs is

Aaron: in, in Lethal Weapon and in, you know, lieu of like losing his

Aaron: wife and being suicidal.

Aaron: He just he lives in a movie theater.

Adam Kovic: I mean.

Adam Kovic: Same difference.

Adam Kovic: This is it's the same cycle though.

Adam Kovic: Like right now, you know,

Adam Kovic: obsession and backrooms did

Adam Kovic: well.

Adam Kovic: So what does Hollywood learn from it?

Adam Kovic: Make cheap horror movies with a

Adam Kovic: gimmick and have scary liminal

Adam Kovic: room stuff.

Aaron: This happens every ten years.

Aaron: They get into this thing.

Aaron: It's

Adam Kovic: Something

Aaron: like.

Adam Kovic: like that.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. They see a shiny new thing.

Adam Kovic: That's why people saw it, because they can only see the

Adam Kovic: surface level stuff.

Adam Kovic: Because it's the most, uh,

Aaron: But

Adam Kovic: uninspired

Aaron: they also do it

Adam Kovic: people.

Aaron: specifically with horror, though.

Aaron: Like

Adam Kovic: Because.

Aaron: literally.

Adam Kovic: Yeah, it's cheap to manufacture.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. I don't know.

Adam Kovic: Well, you saw the thing too, right?

Adam Kovic: They had to, like, the horror

Adam Kovic: movies aren't allowed to get

Adam Kovic: awards, so they had to say it's

Adam Kovic: a comedy.

Aaron: Which one?

Aaron: Obsession.

Adam Kovic: Uh, obsession.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. Which

Aaron: Oh,

Adam Kovic: I don't know if it's.

Aaron: I only read the Wikipedia

Adam Kovic: Who cares?

Aaron: of it because I was, you know, doing my own thing.

Aaron: And I was like, are there any

Aaron: similarities to, I mean, not

Aaron: similarities, but like similar

Aaron: motifs or whatever, blah, blah,

Aaron: blah.

Aaron: And I really, I saw on the Wikipedia that's like, there's

Aaron: like a lot of magic and stuff.

Aaron: I'm like, all right, well,

Adam Kovic: Somewhat,

Aaron: not the

Adam Kovic: I

Aaron: same.

Adam Kovic: don't know, I think it's just a

Adam Kovic: minor bit of suspicion,

Adam Kovic: suspension of belief to get to

Adam Kovic: this basically, which is like,

Adam Kovic: uh, it's kind of an allegory

Adam Kovic: for, uh, you know, abusive

Adam Kovic: relationship.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: So, you know, take what you will from it.

Adam Kovic: It's good, it's fine.

Adam Kovic: It's like, I think it's, it's a

Adam Kovic: great testament to young people

Adam Kovic: making movies, which we need

Adam Kovic: more of.

Adam Kovic: Need

Aaron: Yes.

Adam Kovic: we need movies not to be thirty dollars for

Aaron: Yeah. No

Adam Kovic: the love

Aaron: shit.

Adam Kovic: of God. Not everything's

Aaron: Also,

Adam Kovic: going

Aaron: just

Adam Kovic: to

Aaron: the

Adam Kovic: be.

Aaron: fact that people are have

Aaron: ownership in these movies that

Aaron: are like some of these YouTube

Aaron: movies.

Aaron: I mean, that'll change when studios start fucking getting

Aaron: their hands into it.

Aaron: But like.

Adam Kovic: Oh yeah.

Adam Kovic: Well, I think obsession was a Blumhouse thing anyway.

Adam Kovic: It wasn't it wasn't a YouTube movie.

Aaron: Yeah, I guess I was thinking like, uh.

Adam Kovic: The guy was a YouTuber, which means nothing.

Adam Kovic: It's like someone uploaded a video to YouTube.

Adam Kovic: You are now YouTuber.

Adam Kovic: It's like, I don't know, it's just a user of the technology

Adam Kovic: available to him.

Aaron: Well, they also, they're looking for people with built in

Aaron: audiences as per usual,

Adam Kovic: Oh

Aaron: but.

Adam Kovic: that's true.

Adam Kovic: I say all this to say.

Adam Kovic: Also to say that the new

Adam Kovic: Spider-Man movie was really

Adam Kovic: good.

Aaron: Okay.

Adam Kovic: I liked it, had heart, I enjoy, but I wasn't going to go to the

Adam Kovic: theatre for it because, my God, that's sixty dollars to go with

Adam Kovic: a loved one for

Aaron: What about with just a friend?

Adam Kovic: before popped corn.

Adam Kovic: No, you have to go with someone you love dearly.

Adam Kovic: No, actually my my fam, my mom wants to go see Clayface.

Aaron: Literally, the last movie I saw in theater was Rental Family.

Aaron: I'm like.

Aaron: Or maybe it was.

Aaron: Maybe it was, uh, uh, naked Gun.

Aaron: I can't remember which one of those.

Adam Kovic: I enjoyed Naked Gun. That was a fun time.

Adam Kovic: Uh, the Borat trailer looks good.

Adam Kovic: I don't know, we don't talk about movies.

Adam Kovic: Whatever.

Aaron: Now, my my uncle's about to be

Aaron: here to work on the car,

Aaron: actually.

Adam Kovic: Well, do your thing.

Adam Kovic: Uh, I look forward to your review.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: If you if you have time to write anything for

Aaron: I

Adam Kovic: the

Aaron: will.

Adam Kovic: site, we can try to put out a

Adam Kovic: newsletter, whatever you feel

Adam Kovic: like.

Adam Kovic: I'm going

Aaron: Are

Adam Kovic: to

Aaron: we

Adam Kovic: keep

Aaron: putting

Adam Kovic: editing

Aaron: out

Adam Kovic: your

Aaron: a newsletter.

Adam Kovic: video.

Adam Kovic: I'm documenting my remote fix.

Aaron: Okay.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: Well, that sounds good.

Aaron: I

Adam Kovic: I

Aaron: will

Adam Kovic: hear

Aaron: work

Adam Kovic: you clicking.

Aaron: on. Well, I was I'm trying to key up all these shakedown

Aaron: videos so I can just watch them back to back to back before

Adam Kovic: You

Aaron: my

Adam Kovic: said

Aaron: uncle

Adam Kovic: you're not

Aaron: gets

Adam Kovic: going

Aaron: here.

Adam Kovic: to do that.

Adam Kovic: You said you're

Aaron: Now

Adam Kovic: going

Aaron: it's

Adam Kovic: to sit

Aaron: only

Adam Kovic: down

Aaron: three

Adam Kovic: and watch.

Aaron: of them.

Aaron: I'm only

Adam Kovic: Oh,

Aaron: going to watch three of them.

Aaron: I'm going to watch.

Adam Kovic: wait.

Adam Kovic: There's three shakedown movies or three shakedown clips.

Aaron: Well, there's a bunch of clips.

Aaron: I'm gonna

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: watch the fight at the amusement park.

Aaron: I'm going to watch the trial, which is clip two.

Aaron: And then, um.

Adam Kovic: Why do this to yourself?

Adam Kovic: Just watch the movie.

Adam Kovic: Pay the four dollars.

Aaron: Yeah, but I want to sit down

Aaron: with like a, a drink and really

Aaron: enjoy it.

Adam Kovic: See if the Alamo Drafthouse will play it for you.

Adam Kovic: That

Aaron: This

Adam Kovic: seems

Aaron: seems

Adam Kovic: like up

Aaron: like

Adam Kovic: their

Aaron: something

Adam Kovic: alley.

Aaron: they would

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: draft houses, man.

Aaron: That's just.

Aaron: I don't even want to think about it.

Aaron: It's

Adam Kovic: It's

Aaron: so

Adam Kovic: kind

Aaron: sad.

Adam Kovic: of has it.

Adam Kovic: It's got bought by Sony, right?

Aaron: Yeah. And like you have to order from your phone, which is like

Aaron: counter to everything that the draft house is about.

Aaron: And they're like saying, oh, easier for service really is to

Aaron: get rid of servers and

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: stuff and just all whatever

Adam Kovic: Well,

Aaron: I don't want

Adam Kovic: one

Aaron: to get.

Adam Kovic: one's the little robot comes out

Adam Kovic: with a tray and keeps ramming

Adam Kovic: your leg.

Aaron: Yeah. Or just come the they build some system where the food

Aaron: just raises from the floor.

Adam Kovic: Comes out of the seat into your crotch.

Aaron: Yeah.

Adam Kovic: Yeah.

Aaron: Lowers from the ceiling.

Adam Kovic: Like we will just we'll just

Adam Kovic: insert the food into your

Adam Kovic: rectum.

Aaron: Mhm.

Adam Kovic: It's the Alamo way.

Adam Kovic: This is what the original owners wanted.

Aaron: Tim League. Tim League is a visionary.

Aaron: And he just, you know time passes.

Adam Kovic: Yeah. Well. All right.

Adam Kovic: Well, I will talk to you later.

Adam Kovic: I look forward to whatever your thoughts are on this movie that

Aaron: Yes

Adam Kovic: I'm not going to watch, but

Aaron: I will I will document.

Adam Kovic: I might have to.

Adam Kovic: After you finish this thing.

Aaron: I'll talk to you later.

Adam Kovic: Bye. Have fun with the car.

Aaron: Bye.